Jul 11 2008
Hate mail arouses me
On the heels of my copyright infringement email (best. email. ever.) I received the second best email ever, this one was hate mail. Evidently with Iran in the news lately posturing, testing missiles, and saber rattling, some dude found an old post (or two) from my site stating my position in Iran and the middle-east and took exception to it. In this beautiful piece of hate mail, the dude posits that I am a bleeding heart liberal, a democrat, and recent college grad, I really thought this was special. My most liberal trait is my belief in free speech, I am closing in on 40, I am a corporate raider, and I am a registered republican. I would actually classify myself (if I had to classify myself) as an independent but fiscal conservative with strong opinions about everything. And like most people with strong opinions, if your opinion is different than mine, then you are wrong. So Mr. Neo-Conservative Bush lover, you are wrong, and my new favorite fucktard. You should at least get to know somebody a bit more before taking the time to write a 4 paragraph insult laden hate mail, all of that info about me are in my posts.
Continuing on with my trend of free speech, I have posted this wonderful example of religious right focused sheep-like rage below including the email of the author “unityislife”. What a great email handle, especially when you are a person who obviously hates Muslims or people who have different views of your own, you probably don’t even see just how big a hypocrite you are using that handle. Click this link, it is a definition of unity, that might help in your education. I included the email address in case you wanted to chat with him about his political views or help him petition for universal health-care or host some welfare people. Check it out, you’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll lose 10 iq points.
From: Shaun <XXXXX> (unityislife@yahoo.com) Sent: Thu 7/10/08 12:55 PM Reply-to: unityislife@yahoo.com To: totaldiatribe@hotmail.com (totaldiatribe@hotmail.com Hey Dipshit,
Get your head out of your ass about Iran - they are a threat. They just tested missiles for the second day in a row. Ones capable of hitting Israel and the Straight of Hormuz. (which they have already threatened to shut down - and in case you aren’t aware, the Straight of Hormuz traffics roughly 40% of the world’s oil supply) If you take your head out of the liberal left’s lap long enough to do a little research you will find that Islam, whether Shiite, Sunni or otherwise has one main goal - that is to convert the infadels or kill them. Read a book about it sometime, or better yet pick up the Koran you asswipe. (Once you’ve picked it up - actually open it an read a little.)
Ever hear of the Iran hostage crisis? Based on your lack of respect for our country and the smacked-ass recent college grad vernacular with which you berate everything NOT liberal, it is probable that you have no historical perspective on Iran’s unwarranted hatred for everything West. (see item A - it’s a key component to Islamo-facism) You should also find it interesting to note Mr. Diatribe, that one of the orchestrators of the taking of 70 innocent Americans and holding them against their will for 444 days was none other than Mr. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the current President of Iran! The very same man that calls for the destruction of Isreal at least once a week. The very same man who espouses doubts that the Holocaust or 9/11 ever happened. The very same administration that has been seeking nuclear capability for the past several years! Bush’s position on Iran is not “an agenda of agression” you bafoon! It is defensive posturing directed at a maniac terrorist who is holding a country of innocent Iranian citizens hostage and seeks to “wipe off the face of the earth” (in his words) Isreal and anything or anyone un-Islamic.
Bottom line, the Clinton administration was just as corrupt as every last one of them. He was getting his little dick sucked in the Oval Office while we were being attacked by Islamic terrorist the whole eight years he was in office. You tell me he was focused on this country’s well-being. He sure was great at dismantling the FBI and CIA though! Way to go Bill! Everything he accomplished worth a shit was at the hand of a very pursuasive Republican Congress. You appeasing liberals have been pushing the policy of coddling these dictators far too long and it’s about to smack us in the face. And when it does there is no doubt you will find a Republican and/or Conservative to blame.
Do us all a favor and pack up your Burkenstocks, your wire-rimmed glasses, your Yoko Ono records, incents, roach clips, and peace sign posters - put them in your 67 VW bus or Toyota Prius and board a ferry to the country of any one of these third world despots you love to defend. If you survive for more than a few days - let me know how it is. I’m so tired of you drivling, snot-nosed elitist liberals/democrats hating this country.
If you don’t like it here, get the fuck out!
Cordially,
Intelligent, Educated, Patriotic American
Intelligent: Nope, you can’t even figure out how to use the spell checker, you misspelled infidels, aggression, buffoon, persuasive, Birkenstock, incense, and driveling. Plus you don’t get what unity really is (unless you beleive that to make the world one is successful only if you make the world white and protestant).
Educated: see above
Patriotic: By patriot you must mean blind loyalty to the current administration. I think I am much more of a patriot by questioning authority, not by being a sheep to the Bush-Cheney evil empire.
God bless you unityislife, Jebus and the TotalDiatribe love you.
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Wow what an artard!
I’m glad Jesus make people so smart!
Wow. That’s a few minutes I’ll never get back.
Some people.
This reminds me of a guy that posts heavily on a local message board I used to read. You could almost hear this guy slur the words “conservative” and “republican” as he typed them. Inside knowledge (he’s Rooster’s boss) says that the guy is a completely unstable alcoholic pill head. Of course he works for the State, and I’m surprised he hasn’t run for public office.
That is pretty fucking hilarious. I think that you are a liberal in the old school sense of a person who is liberated from the strait jackets of orthodoxy and blind obedience of rules not questioned. Such a person tends to be open-minded and to treat each situation as one to think through.
I love his attempted use of ad hominem arguments and name calling. I’m not going to call UnityForLife any names. I’m not going to call UnityForLife any names. The hell I’m not. He’s a scum sucking ignoramus with a tiny brain and less knowledge than most 3 year-olds.
So one’s intellect is now tied to his or her ability hit spell check? I guess that puts us on a pretty level playing field then because you misspelled “believe”. That’s I before E, except after C Einstein. Intellect must also mean placing more significance on the writer’s ability to win a spelling bee than the content of the writing. Better I can hit “ABC” at the top of the screen than I can decipher the difference between a terrorist and a questionable president. Better I can use “ad hominem” and “straightjackets of orthodoxy” in a sentence (straightjacket is one word genius) than I can exercise an ounce of political common sense. Sounds like you pirated that phrase from the village idiot at Berkley. Better I can make up words like “fucktard” and “artard” than I can read something without putting words into the author’s mouth. (I never professed blind loyalty to any administration - read it again needle dick.) And before you berate someone for forgetting to hit spell check be sure you’ve done it yourself. And the most importantl lesson of the day boys and girls is - remember that plagiarism is a crime.
Yep… i only misspelled one word. i win, i must be the smartest idiot arguing on the internet.
I gotta be honest, between your emails (i received more of them for the rest of you) and this. I’m pretty much over you. As I said in my email response to you, i lost interest in debating an irrational asshole that doesn’t have any interest in real debate. please fuck off and don’t pass go.
My responses are directed at spellcheck/unityislife,
A few points:
1) I am not from an English-speaking nation even though English has been my first language ever since I was two. So if my presentation isn’t state-of-the-art, do overlook.
2) How did you assume that the owner of this website was a college grad with a taste for 60s classic pop? What made you put us through the ordeal of a decorated lie, masquerading as patriotic elitism? This is the first time I have come across a verbal raquet shot that almost dislodges one’s tongue as we are made to mouth the profanities you’ve used as a souvenir for your jingoism.
3) I agree with your summing up of Iran’s Islamist leadership. But I don’t think an administration that called in the atomic age with Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Bikini Atoll, should scream foul when ‘lesser’ nations equip themselves. Ballistically speaking. The way you’ve positioned the string of words: ‘third world nations’, makes it look like we are are a handful of rowdies waiting – and deserving – to be tamed by policeman Bush who violated International norms of respecting the sovereignty of nations and attacked Afghanistan and Iraq.
4) You seem to be schooled by a section of the American lobby for whom anyone who opposes Bush and the Republicans is a Leftist. And all Leftists are somehow Liberals (??). Who told you that? In what way were Stalin’s Russia and Mao’s China liberal? Underneath your chameleon coloured proclamations of patriotism, I actually smelled McCarthyism! Now that’s not healthy.
5) The American administration doesn’t like the leadership of many Third World countries. Not a big deal really. Nor do I. But it doesn’t give me the god-given right to stampede in with my army, with the backup of a coterie of salivating Zionist capitalists working in co-operation with ‘Fundamentalists Inc’ containing a full scoop (extra large size mind you) of America’s Protestants and Lutherans and take charge of a nation under the guise of democratizing it.
Democracy must come from the people themselves. With their strength (whenever it finds itself) they must rise against their home bred rogues and dictatorships.
Bush never did democratize Kabul or Baghdad.
He was leader of ‘Operation Bloody Vengeance’ with hallucinations of another Crusade, this time set in the 21st century and featuring Protestant-Zionist Washington on the one side and the goliaths: Iran and all those self-respecting Arab nations unwilling to kiss his bottom, on the other.
In this version, Uncle Bush emerges victor and Jerusalem crushes the unwashed Palestinians and wayward Arab states and teaches a lesson or two to the watching world about who is boss.
6) If the P5 (of which the US is a longtime member) is so concerned about human welfare, why doesn’t it destroy it’s stockpile of nuclear arsenals? Why does it thrust the responsibility of global security on third world countries and keep mum on it’s own instigation of the nuclear age, it’s own diabolic proliferation and saving up on nukes for that ‘rainy day’???
7) I’m from India. Please don’t give me that bull about responsible, ‘defensive’ preparation by your crazy president, when this same man has irked more than 70% of Americans with his domestic goofups which were in every way: intentional.
You may be surprised by how many families are enraged at your beloved president for putting their kin’s lives in danger, for defending a mockery, that has been exposed to be hegemony no matter how thinly veiled.
By the way for all your sniffling, you are perhaps not in light of the third degree torture route preferred by the CIA when it conducts investigations. Maybe you should try a ‘humanity check’ on your favourite sly men?
9) Americans who find Bush a travesty and a bad road accident in the history of the United States are not Democrat toadies. Wash your specs. We support them because they have their heads on their shoulders and are certainly a better alternative to a president, loathed by his own countrymen and the world. No one has said that the Democrats are gods. More fool you.
Americans are willing to try their more reasonable possibilities. If there was a third alternative, they’d let him/her be heard as well.
Indrani.
1.) The name of this website is “Total Diatribe”. In case the ultimate hypocrisy or irony has escaped you all, a diatribe is a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism. The entire website is based on its premise!!! Talk about hypocrisy!!! Fuckin’ A!!
2.) For the third time I didn’t say billymac was a college grad. I said he spoke with a “smacked-ass recent college grad” vernacular. Not sure how many times I have to say that.
3.) The verbal “racquet shot” was in response to the Diatribe’s childish map indicating GW’s residence with a crayon-like drawing that says “Asshole George Bush Lives Here” - on a website called “Total Diatribe”!! From a 40 year old man - and I’m the one who needs help? Yeah. (And no – just because I found the map childish does not mean I love GW. I do not.)
4.) Regarding Hiroshima and Nagasaki - I see you have conveniently forgotten the prelude to those two episodes. Pearl Harbor ring a bell? Or better yet how about the Japanese’s decades-long rampage through China in an effort to strip them of their own sovereignty and natural resources. In just a few weeks at Nan King they massacred a few hundred thousand people. Raping and murdering over 80,000 women. Engaging in radio-broadcasted beheading contests. All told wiping out some say as many as 20 million innocent Chinese. They then set their sights on the Americans. And for what? Go ahead, be predictable. Point to some American foreign policy gone sideways that somehow justifies their actions. Tell the whole story why don’t you?
5.) If I remember correctly we were attacked on 9/11 and several times prior by radical Muslims whose theocracies thrive on a hatred for everything American, West, and un-Islamic. Again, at least exercise an ounce of intellectual honesty and concede that radical Islam lives and breathes on these principles, among others. And no, don’t point again to some flawed American foreign policy as an excuse for Islam to advance its cause. That excuse has been played out for years. They do not need such justification - it is inherent in their belief structure. You of all people should know this.
6.) Regarding CIA and FBI “torture”. Ask someone who has survived water-boarding and someone who has survived a beheading which one is worse. Oh yeah people don’t survive beheadings.
7.) I DO NOT LOVE GEORGE BUSH!!! Not sure how many times I have to say that either! I agree with some of the things he does, I disagree with others. Damn.
I won’t even address the rest of your post as it is nothing more than the random regurgitation of a multitude of anti-American rants you’ve cranked the volume to over the years.
Thanks for not calling me a fucktard.
Your points one by one;
1) “”They then set their sights on the Americans. And for what? Go ahead, be predictable. Point to some American foreign policy gone sideways that somehow justifies their actions. Tell the whole story why don’t you?””
I’m typing out what I wrote in an email awhile back.
A good example of how governments can lie to their people and to the world about the motive behind aggression: the US administration got away for 40 years with it’s version of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki , claiming that they were necessary to bring Japan to her knees.
Then in 1984, came Gar Alperowitz and his “Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam ” – The Use of the Atom Bomb and the American Confrontation with Soviet Power. People were told the horrifying truth; that America made Hiroshima and Nagasaki happen not because of Japan , but because of the U.S.S.R. To make Russia comply with American conditions regarding the lend-lease agreement and to intimidate the Russians by atomic muscle-flexing, was the real reason behind the killing, difiguring and maiming of thousands of Japanese citizens.
Book extract.
Atomic Diplomacy: Hiroshima and Potsdam by Gar Alperowitz
“”Hailed as a classic on it’s first publication, Atomic Diplomacy offers dramatic evidence to support the argument that atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki not, as said at the time, in order to end the war in Japan but to ‘make the Russians more manageable’.
Drawing on the diaries of Truman, Eisenhower, Secretary of State Byrnes, Secretary of War Stimson and others, Alperowitz reevaluates the assumptions, hesitations and decisions that precipated the use of atomic weapons and shows that US leaders knew that Japan was seeking surrender – on terms that were acceptable to the US – several months before the bombs were dropped.
Fifty years later (year of publication when I bought the book was 1995) the shadow of Hiroshima continues to haunt us all. Now more than ever it is of vital importance that we understand more fully how civilian and military leaders reach decisions on the use of nuclear weapons. Atomic Diplomacy is timely and urgent reading for everyone interested in the history – and the future – of peace and war.
John Hershey got it right in his book Hiroshima : The atomic bomb was first of all an intimate, personal and highly individual experience. To walk the streets of Hiroshima today is to be forced to recognize the obvious: A young housewife passes, walking arm in arm with an elderly woman, perhaps her mother-in-law; three schoolchildren, maybe nine years old, scamper up the road; a tired, aged garbage collector makes his rounds. Such poople today remind us that such people then, individuals, were the ones who felt the experience of Hiroshima; and it was a very, very direct one indeed.
Reflect for a moment on the death of a loved one, perhaps a father or a mother; reflect on a moment of personal illness. There is no way to grasp the meaning of Hiroshima , ultimately, to 200,000 individuals. In the attempt, however, it may be possible to begin to break loose from the abstractions to know what nuclear warfare meant, really, to fellow human beings.
“I was not taught to make war in this fashion…”, Admiral Leahy observed. “Wars cannot be won by destroying women and children…”. Eisenhower was “conscious of a feeling of depression…It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing…” (the one line that remains in your head like a nightmare after you’ve read the book). Why was it that some men were able to preserve their hold on ethical standards? And some were not? What stands out from the record, no matter how the remaining questions are finally resolved, is that most American leaders were not guided by the same ethical considerations that an Eisenhower or a Leahy felt in their approach to Hiroshima .
We can do nothing today about Hiroshima ; we can only look to ourselves, to our actions or our inactions ( Zimbabwe : ding dong!), to whether we contribute by deed or by silence to fostering an environment which restrains or allows or promotes the next Hiroshima .”"
I recommend this book to all. Do read it if you haven’t already.
You will come to understand that Vietnam , Iraq and Afghanistan were in the pipeline.
The socio-psychological makeup of civilian and military leaders influences their decisions on warfare, the area of study taken up by ‘The Sociology and Psychology of War’, one of the streams of Defence & Strategic Studies. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are also proof of the power of the bourgeoisie’s technology. It is technology bereft of ethics. It can propagate massively and all due to the enterprising potential of the capitalist. Nothing else counts.””
You said “”Tell the whole story why don’t you?””
Thank you for the opportunity.
2) “”And no, don’t point again to some flawed American foreign policy as an excuse for Islam to advance its cause””
Spellcheck, I did not use American foreign policy as an ‘excuse’ as you have alleged. I have decried mischevious elements irrespective of their ethnic or religious origins. That is all. Unlike you, who tends to see Asian and African leaderships as necessarily evil and American ones as holy, I am able to search for the finer points and hold them up. You have said a few times that you don’t have any particular political affiliation, but it doesn’t seem to be so from your statements. Now, I can accuse of using the name of the blog ‘totaldiatribe’ as an excuse. That excuse would be pretty lame don’t you think? It doesn’t matter what the name of the website is, where you post, atleast from my own experience. You must state your points with clarity and show evidence of intellectual insight.
Despite your claims of not being a Bush fan, you come across as just that. You know why?
Because nothing you say, ever opposes him.
3) “”Regarding CIA and FBI “torture”. Ask someone who has survived water-boarding and someone who has survived a beheading which one is worse. Oh yeah people don’t survive beheadings.””
There are two prisoners.
One is taken aside to be decapitated. He dies. His family loses him.
The second prisoner is kept in solitary confinement for a period of months, during which he is subject to such tortures, that upon returning home, he becomes a liability to his family, hideously bruised psychologically, his family having to pay for his bills to the shrink. The shrink on his part, even through his most valiant efforts can’t seem to cure the former prisoner of his recurring nightmares and mental scars.
Which of the prisoners do you think underwent a ‘humane’ POW experience? Don’t tell me. I know what you’re going to rant about. You’ll pick up point number two, add the excuse of this website header for defendig your jargon and obfuscating the truth and try to prove your point no matter how absurd it is.
Truth is, there were no real survivors. The first prisoner paid with his life, the second, with his sanity.
4) “”…it is inherent in their belief structure. You of all people should know this.””
Did you know what is inherent in Christian theological discourse? The original one, not the Christianity of our times which has undergone sustained and necessary cleansing by Christian freethinkers and dissenters? No, you don’t. Do your homework spellcheck. Read what the Bible states about the heretic. What God commands the apostate and the heathen be put through. And yes, since you are blank on the point of the philosophical ‘unity’ of Monotheism, let me point out that Judaism, Christianity and Islam belong to the same order. Their basic principles and origins are interwoven. If Islam is fanatically obsessed with the infidel, then Christianity is exactly so about it’s heathens and apostates and Judaism set the standard for them both, by speaking loosely and derisively about the ‘goym’.
I don’t want to get into a theological battle with you here because that would mean expounding indepth on the nature and structure of monotheism and polytheism; a topic so vast, that I couldn’t discuss it here and certainly not with someone who was reared in the benevolence of Christian lies. We’ll need modern scholarship on this issue, which I’ve written about hundreds of times and have no desire to reprint all of that here, once again.
5) “”…a multitude of anti-American rants you’ve cranked the volume to over the years””.
This is an outstanding feature of jingoists. If you don’t agree with their kind of loud and insane patriotism, not to mention their myopia and lethargy about examining historical evidence on any issue…you’re supposed to leave the country (I don’ have to. I have a home here in my own; India. Thank you very much), be a Leftist (people I abhor and have no truck with) and be Anti-American.
On my perceived Anti-Americanism: Well, one of my female cousins lives with her family in California. I am member of a Rialto based Hellenic organization. I have scrores of American friends who I look up to (and who make far more sense in their talk than someone like you…’totaldiatribe’ notwithstanding) and none of them would think of me as Anti-American.
I understand why you, spellecheck, do. No problem. My request is that we end our conversation here and not extend it unnecessarily. We belong to two different schools of thought. It’s obvious we can’t see eye to eye on any issue. So please don’t reply to my post and keep your thoughts to yourself.
You’ll be doing all of us a great favour. I mean it when I say that you should have your own webpage (if you don’t already) where you can ‘converse’ *ahem* with like minded folks who agree with you. The internet is about free speech you know.
I’m a patriotic Indian. But what removes me from jingoism (and the gagging it brings about) is the fact that I recognize the right of other nations to their own soil. If I criticize, I donot spare the foreign policy of my own leaders. I am a student of Defence & Strategic Studies and Conflict Analysis. Conflicts cannot be resolved by using the stick as you do all the time, on others, without examining it’s benefits when it is used on me and my people.
This is not how a dialogue is supposed to proceed. And dialogues, my dear friend, are held with an audience who are worthy of it. Don’t try to come up with a cocky reply to this one, because people in my blogcircle have been in converation with those who disagree with us and these ‘others’ were not made of the material that you are. Both sides could congratulate each-other on their redeeming points, the score of which in your case is: zero.
So, desist.
Have a nice day.
Indrani.
To Idrani:
It’s interesting that you suggest instead of replying to your post I start a website to discuss political matters with people of similar beliefs. BillyMac did the same once he realized I was not in mental lock-step with his opinions and had valid thoughts that differed with his. I will concede that my first email to him was heated and I do regret that because often the message is lost in the rage. It appears however that neither of you actually like the debate - but only to converse with those who share your same view, albeit it in various shades.
Though you continued to draw assumptions based on things I have not stated regarding my affinity for George Bush as well as my religious affiliations, I have done the same. I think you, myself, and billymac are all tied on this one.
Finally I will say that my inclinations to defend my country are not ones of blind faith in its politicians. I was born here and am patriotic. This is not a crime by the citizens of any other country but for Americans. I have however formed these views with a broader perspective in mind, knowing that to judge nations and their leaders without also understanding how they play in the world theatre and the historical one - is a narrow and incomplete assessment of their legacies. In your reply to my statements regarding Hiroshima and Nagasaki you absolutely ignored the atrocities the Japanese committed as a prelude to the bombs. You didn’t even attempt to excuse them because doing so is impossible. There- in lies the problem because including their actions provides a more accurate perspective but one that dilutes your argument.
I have grown so tired of America being the scapegoat while the actions of other countries go unchecked. Hence my frustration manifested through my initial email. Again, let’s all apply a bit of context to our assessments before deeming someone an “Asshole” with a crayon drawing on a map.
That said I read your last post with interest and real hopes to understand your position. I finished with a better understanding of an opposing view.
For that I thank you.
spellcheck,
I forgot saying two things in my last email. One of the points I can’t remeber as of now, but the other one was that - there are ‘universal wrongs’ and there as ‘comparitive wrongs’. The second is subject to anthropological perspectives; the local makeup of a people and their understanding of an issue through their respective world view. Here judgments are likely to differ over whether the ones on this side of the line were wrong, or the ones on the other side were.
But the first is when a wrongdoing or a falsity is accepted by global opinion to be so. When we are faced with such a situation, international mediation is the best course. Not aggression. Zimbabwe has had all it’s human rights quashed by a Zimbabwean, but I wouldn’t expect the Indian defence forces to force an entry into that country, depose Mugabe, cause more than a few Zimbabwean bodies to fall here and there (many of whom may not have like my country’s bellicose self-righteousness) and then turn around hopefully at the world community, for their laurels.
But I’m beginning to sound jaded isn’t it?
The Japanese colonial leadership committed atrocities all over the Asian continent. They came up to India’s north-eastern borders. Soldiers who fought and died defending India from imperialist Japan were patriots. They were giving their blood to protect their fellow Indians, it was defensive warfare. And they fought from within the borders of their motherland.
I wonder what you would have typed as a response today, if my government back then would have dropped an atomic beauty on two Japanese cities?
You have me completely stumped spellcheck. The US admin used atomic warfare not to silence an enemy or cripple them for the purpose of security.
At all.
This is why your complain isn’t making sense to me…infact I’m stunned that you failed to get the point.
Let me say it once again: Japan was not attacked because of her imperialism. She was made to experience radiation because - Russia was to be made answerable to and afraid of; America. Are you getting it? It was for economic gains that the bombs were dropped. The economic gain did not have Japan anywhere in the picture. It had the U.S.S.R.
Japan was simply - a convenient ‘casualty of war’, a casualty of an economic, lend-lease war between the US and the US.S.R.
I typed the last two paragraphs in utter disbelief at what you said about Japanese guilt. It’s interesting that you did not bring in Gar Alperovitz and his findings. You spoke nothing about the central role of the lend-lease agreement. You actually….actually….(still hard to swallow)…still think that Hiroshima and Nagasaki paid the price of Japanese military hubris.
*open mouthed* Indrani